Yes, there are unseen staff members who have pages. Some unseen staff members and patients (there's a page for unseen patients, too) have enough information known about them to warrant their own pages, but most do not.
I will also note that YOU created the Norman McCale page.
I'm a human being. I make mistakes. I forget things. When you created the page, it didn't register with me that he was an unseen character. Back in March, Tooniee and I had a discussion about unseen characters, which led to me creating the unseen staff and unseen patients pages. And yes, we haven't used them as much as they were meant to be used. But that's not because they weren't meant to be used. It's because I'm a human being and I forgot to keep updating those pages.
If you're making a series of edits to the same page, it's helpful if you do them all as one edit so that it doesn't clog up the recent activity with a dozen edits to different sections of the same page.
But he didn't indirectly call her that, if I recall correctly. He said, "I know a retinal-vitreous surgeon." Or said yes in response to a question of whether or not he did. That's not indirect at all, but it is incorrect, as the correct wording is inverted.
Well the exact dialogue was that "you're going to need a retinal-vitreous surgeon" and then Derek said, "Yea I know. Lexie is calling around for one," then ophthalmologists are named. And after Jassy is mentioned, Mark said, "I know someone who can run circles around Jassy." That, to me, isn't direct.
Just re-watched that scene. Derek has Lexie calling around to find a retinal-vitreous surgeon." She says, "Parker isn't answer and Waldman is going to be at least another hour." He tells her to call Jassey. Mark pulls out his phone and says he knows someone who will run circles around Jassey and calls Julia.
I know! lol I usually watch the related episode while I'm editing so I can quickly refer to it.
To me, direct would be, "Hey I know a retinal-vitreous surgeon named Julia Canner." Sloan saying that Derek needs one, and then mentions after dialogue that he knows someone who is better than another surgeon that is mentioned is not direct.
Plus saying that it's incorrect gives the meaning that she isn't one, rather than his dialogue being incorrect, but his intention still be true.
I just want to take a moment, in light of some recent events, to apologize to you for my behavior when you first joined this wiki. When you first came here and started making such bold edits, I felt threatened and when I feel threatened, I tend to get irrationally defensive. And I took that out on you, which wasn't fair.
Having now experienced a similar situation from the other side, I can see how my actions were hurtful and unnecessary. I do appreciate your continued efforst to improve the wiki in the best way you can and I'll try to keep my ego in check better in the future.
No worries dude. I appreciate it, but it's all water under the proverbial bridge. We're all here collaborating because we have such a passion for this show. Sometime that passion is a bit heated, but at the end of the day, it's just about us uniting to make this wiki as awesome as possible.
We're all a part of Shondaland and I'm happy to have found peeps to share this ride.
Thank you! It's nice to have people who seem to get the show on the same level that I do to talk to about episodes, because I've completely stepped out of discussion over on the comm because of claims of mod bias.
Also, how amazing was tonight's episode? Like, really freaking amazing. I loved it.
I LOVED the flashbacks. Not that I'm condoning the cheating, but now knowing Arizona lost a baby in addition to losing a leg made me understand why cheating with Lauren was more likely. I wonder if Shonda knew of this before and that's why season 9 ended with infidelity.
I doubt it a little. I think that maybe Shonda and the other writers were a little surprised by all the reactions that Arizona cheating because she lost a leg a year ago while everything seemed fine and so on. Maybe they wanted to create another reason to make it seem more realistic, I don't know. So far I'm loving the episode though!
It wasn't this week's. It was Map of You. I'm re-watching it to see anything I missed. When Evans was talking to Alex, during the guitar scene, he was telling a story about how his kid (e.g. Nicky) had to see a pediatric surgeon because he fed Nicky strawberries. This resulted in an allergic episode. Alex thought the story was about him since he didn't realize it was about Nicky until after the story was told and after the picture was shown. Alex must have a strawberry allergy, otherwise he would not have thought the story was about him.
Just so you know, the stub category and template are for when there's a significant amount of information to know about the person. A page doesn't need it simply because it's short. Pages can be complete or mostly complete even if they're short.
Ohh.. I guess it's short of hard for me to judge what's "significant". Like I feel like with Fincher, Goodwin, and Carlsmith, they're complete, but because it didn't look all that complete to me, I just added the stubs category.
No page can ever really be labeled complete. The Meredith Grey page is literally the second-longest page on this whole wiki and there's still more to add to it. And more information will come.
Stub is really (in my mind) for pages where there are serious, egregious gaps in information. Like something a reasonable fan could sit down and find more than one way to improve. Like if the Seattle Grace Hospital page just said, "Seattle Grace Hospital is a hospital in Seattle." That would be a stub. But now, it has more information about what it is, who has worked there, etc.. I know significant is subjective. It's really a judgement call, but we want to have as few pages in the stubs category as possible. Eventually, I'd like to have none. Just because a page is not a stub does not mean that that page is in any way complete. Like the above example, new information is being added (even things the show has already established and no one ever thought to add) to pages daily.